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Assignment #18: Gender Extra Credit


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Assignment #1: Traditional Beliefs?


Beliefs in fundamental differences in character and natural abilities between the sexes occurred throughout time in many cultures. The subordination of women was felt to be a natural state. When challenged, the position was often strongly defended. Read this sampling of laws, advice and beliefs from diverse eras and parts of the world. Most of these quotes illuminate the harshest attitudes about women, which might not have applied to women in every class, and which might simply have been ignored. They nonetheless help explain the limited contributions of women in some areas, and the types of attitudes women have had to overcome. After reading ask, select five (or more) and ask:
  • What are some of the major restrictions on women?

  • What were some of the major beliefs about women that led to these restrictions?

  • Consider how beliefs such as these might have influenced women’s lives. In which spheres of life might they have been limited? In which honored?

  • Do any of these old attitudes and restrictions regarding women remain? Have you heard something similar regarding how one should behave? (It can be either advice you agreed with, or advice you did not). Is the advice different depending on if it is given to a boy or a girl? If so, which ones? Why do you think this is so?

“Instructing a woman is like holding a sack of sand whose sides have split open.”
- Ankhsheshong, scribe. Late Period Ancient Egypt

“Neither wives of lords, nor widows, nor Assyrian women who go out on the street, may have their heads uncovered.....when they go out on the street alone, they must veil themselves.”
- Middle Assyrian Law, 1383-1000 B.C.E.

“The deadly female race and tribe of wives who live with mortal men bring them harm....women are bad for men, and they conspire in wrong, and Zeus the Thunderer made it so.”
- Hesoid, Greek poet, 8th century B.C.E.

“A proper wife should be as obedient as a slave...The female is a female by virtue of a certain lack of qualities - a natural defectiveness.”
- Aristotle

“A woman...cultivates the skills required in the women’s quarters and has no ambition to manage affairs outside the house...She must follow the ‘three submissions.’ When she is young, she must submit to her parents. After her marriage, she must submit to her husband. When she is widowed, she must submit to her son.”
- “The Mother of Mencius,” Waring States, 475-221 B.C.E, China

“Women, even though they are of full age, because of their levity of mind shall be under guardianship.”
- The Twelve Tables, Rome, 450 B.C.E.

“No free woman who lives according to the law of the Lombards...is permitted to live under her own legal control, that is, to be legally competent...But she ought to remain under the control of some man or her king.”
- Lombard Law- 7th century C.E.

“You must be like the heart in the body. You must not leave the home...You must be like embers in the hearth.”
- Advice given Aztec girls at ceremonies honoring their birth.

“A women’s piety and seclusion are favors from God..If [a strange man] knocks at the door, it is not proper for the woman to answer him softly and easily because men’s hearts can be drawn to [women] for the most trifling [reason]...Women should not come in contact with a man even if he is blind.”
- Imam Abu Hamid al-Ghazali, theologian-philosopher, 1056-1111 C.E.

“Women are as different from men as earth from the heaven. She depends on the light of her husband to shine.” and “Woman’s virginity and chastity are more important than her life.”
- NeoConfucian Sayings, China.

“If you have a son, you can say you have a descendant. But you cannot say thus, even if you have ten daughters.”
- Vietnamese proverb

“Even though you sleep intimately on the same bed and under the same cover with him, you must treat your husband as if he were your king.”
- Upper Class Confucian marriage manual, Vietnam

“There are only two places for a woman, the house and the grave”
- Pakistani proverb

“Women have long hair and a short mind.”
- Swedish proverb

“The best way to keep a woman is barefoot in the winter and pregnant in the summer”
- American proverb

“Bringing up a daughter is like manuring an and watering a plant for someone else’s courtyard”
- Telugu proverb

“A man without brains and a woman without a man will never stand on their own legs.”
- Estonian Proverb

“A husband is to his wife as a superior being is to an inferior, as perfect is to imperfect, as giver is to receiver...The husband gives his wife the child, and she receives it from him.”
- John Buridanus, 13th century

“Woman should learn neither to read or write, unless she is interested in taking vows, because women’s reading and writing has brought about many evils.”
- Philip of Novara, 13th century

“Ye husbands, a woman must be spared and borne with, the rather that she is the weaker vessel, of a frail heart, inconstant, and with a word soon stirred to wrath....Ye wives, as for your husbands, them must you obey, and cease from commanding, and perform subjection.”
- The “Homily on Matrimony,” authorized by Queen Elizabeth I, England to be read at the marriage ceremony.

“Women should remain at home, sit still, keep house, and bear and bring up children...If a woman grows weary and, at last, dies from childbearing, it matters not. Let her die from bearing - she is there to do it.”
- Martin Luther

“The search for abstract and speculative truths, principles, axioms in the sciences, and everything that lends to generalized ideas is not within the compass of women...their job is to apply the principles that men discover.”
- Jean-Jacques Rousseau, “Education,” France, 1762

“Women...be simple in your dress; work hard in your household; never attend the popular assemblies with the idea of speaking up.”
- Jacobin message, French Revolution, 1793

“Women...the second sex, inferior in every respect to the first...to show them great reverence is extremely ridiculous, and lowers us in their eyes. When Nature made two divisions of the human race, she did not draw the line exactly through the middle. These divisions are polar and opposed to each other...the number two of the human race in Europe [should be] relegated to her natural place.”
- Arthur Schopenhauer, “On Woman,” 1851

“Bear always in mind your true situation and have the words of the apostle perpetually engraven on your heart. Your duty is submission....Your husband is, by the laws of God and of man, your superior; do not ever give him cause to remind you of it.”
- Early 19th century American minister counsel for brides

“If I were to plan with malicious hate the greatest curse I could conceive for women, if I would estrange them from the protection of men, and make them as far as possible loathsome and disgusting to man, I would favor the so-called reform which proposed to make doctors of them.”
- Editor of Buffalo Medical Journal, U.S.A., 1871

“Woman’s proper sphere is the family. There she is a sovereign queen. If we eliminate woman from every realm of public life, we do not do it in order to dishonor her, but in order that her honor may be restored to her.”
- Dr. Josef Goebbles, Nazi minister of propaganda and public enlightenment. Germany, 1934

Resource: “Never Marry a Woman With Big Feet: Women in Proverbs from Around the World,” Mineke Schipper, Yale University Press, 2003.



Assignment #2: Women Speak Back: Words from Many Eras (Choose 5)

  • Analyze each quote below to determine what it means. What problems did the individual speak out against?

  • Read loud one quote that surprised you. Discuss why. You might write the quotes on posters or card stock, and place around room, one per week

  • Research the historic context of the quote. Who was this woman? Does the quote tell us anything about the woman's personality? When and where did she (or they) live? What circumstances might have encouraged her to say these words? Does it tell us anything about the period she lived in?

  • For each quote, or selected quotes, ask: Could a man have said this? Why or why not? A slave? A peasant? Give your reason why or why not.

  • Select the quotes which have relevance for women in the world today.

“Why should we pay taxes when we do not share in the office, honors, military commands, nor, in short, the government, for which you fight between yourselves with such harmful result? You say ‘because it is wartime.’ When have there not been war?”
- Hortensia, speech to the Roman Forum, 42 BCE., Rome

"If it is true that men are better than women because they are stronger, why aren't our sumo wrestlers in the government?"
- Kishida Toshiko - Feminist, 19th century Japan

"My wish is to ride the tempest, tame the waves, kill the sharks. I will not resign myself to the usual lot of women who bow their heads and become concubines."
- Trieu Thi Trinh, Peasant who led an insurrection against Chinese invaders, 240 A.D. Vietnam

"We deny the right of any portion of the species to decide for another portion what is and what is not their 'proper sphere.' The proper sphere for all human beings is the largest and highest which they are able to attain to."
- Harriet Taylor Mill, 1850, England

"Who has forbidden women to engage in private and individual studies? Have they not a rational soul as men do?...I have this inclination to study and if it is evil I am not the one who formed me thus - I was born with it and with it I shall die."
- Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz, nun, intellectual, author, 1681, Mexico

"Women have the right to mount the scaffold; they should likewise have the right to mount the rostrum."
- Olympe de Gouges, author of Declaration of Rights of Women, 1791, France

"Make women rational creatures, and free citizens, and they will quickly become good wives; - that is if men do not neglect the duties of husbands and fathers!"
- Mary Wollstonecraft, author A Vindication of the Rights of Woman, 1792, England

“For woman, history is a lie and the truth will only appear once feminine observation and intelligence enter into it and, specifically, link it to women’s interests. ..because of her unceasing need to believe and feel, woman will in turn throw herself into unexplored territory, her own domain, from which she had been banished.”
- Henriette Wild, revolutionary voice for women’s rights to their own history, 1848, France

"The history of all times, and of today especially, teaches that...women will be forgotten if they forget to think about themselves."
- Louise Otto, (Luise Otto-Peters), Feminist, 1849, Germany

"Because man and woman are the complement of one another, we need woman's thought in national affairs to make a safe and stable government...Wither is a nation tending when brains count for less than bullion, and clowns made laws for queens?”
- Elizabeth Cady Stanton , 1869 U.S.A.

“I would renounce and disown my sex if the mission of women were reduced only to procreation. The mission of women in the world is much more grandiose and sublime; it is the one of teaching humankind, and in order to teach it is necessary to know.”
- Maria Eugenia Echenique, writer and educator, 1876, Argentina

“No more domestic “servitude” for women! No more inequality within the family!”
- Alexandra Kollantai, politician and author, 1918, U.S.S.R.

“Millions of women are asserting their right to voluntary motherhood. ...This is the fundamental revolt. It is for women the key to the temple of liberty.”
- Margaret Sanger, birth control advocate, 1920, U.S.A.

"Men have singled out women of outstanding merit and put them on a pedestal to avoid recognizing the capabilities of all women."
- Huda Shaarawi, writer and women's rights organizer, 1924, Egypt

"Women have always struggled with their men-folk for the abolition of slavery, the liberation of countries from colonialism, the dismantling of apartheid and the attainment of peace. It is now the turn of men to join women in their struggle for equality."
- Gertrude Mongella of Tanzania, Secretary General of US Fourth Conference on the World's Women, 1995




Assignment #3: G
o to the link: http://www.pbs.org/pov/pov2001/5girls/crossroadsgame/index.html to 'play the game'.  Follow the rules, choose categories, make choices and then discuss your answers here.  Comment on each other's work.



-- Edited by mre at 15:25, 2008-12-05

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Identity: I chose option [2]...I feel that if you are informed enough to make a conscious decision on becoming a vegitarian, that you should be able to choose what you want to eat...it is your body, not your parents.

Relationships: I chose option [undecided]...I am not sure what I would do in a situation like that. I mean I know what the "right" thing to do is, but I wouldn't want to endanger my relationships with my friends. Also if I was the other person in that situation I would feel kind of betrayed if my friends told my parents I did something wrong, even if they had my best interests at heart.

Body Image: I chose option [1..kind of]...I don't think that this particular situation warrents a trip to a treatment facility. I do agree that this should be monitered but you don't have to be so overly concerned that this girl wants to eat healthily. It could be that she just wants to stay healthy and prevent eating things that are bad for her. However if things do continue to worsen then that would merit treatment.

Sexuality: I chose option [2]...I think that if someone is being that demanding then it would really make the situation uncomfortable. You shouldn't feel pressured to ditch your friends and spend all of your time with your boyfriend.

Goals: I chose option [2]...I have had a job for over a year, and I work between 15-35 hours a week. I always feel like I have accomplished something when I get out of work and I like having my own income. My dad still pays for a majority of my bills [car insurance, gas etc.] but I think its important to have a part-time job as a teenager so you can learn responsiblity.


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Some major restrictions on women are:
-Women must wear their veils outside at all times in Middle Assyria.
-Women must submit to their parents, their husband, or their son in China.
-Women cannot live on their own legally; she has to stay in control of a man.
-Women are supposed to stay and tend to their houses, and their children. Thats what they are meant to do.

Some of the major beliefs were that women were useless. They were only good to keep houses clean and tend to their king. They were seen as smaller and weaker images than men. It seems like they wouldn't be able to finish a job half as good as a man would.


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Question 1&2.
Some of the major restrictions and beliefs on women are they cant come in contact with men, even if they are blind. If a woman gives up her virginity and chastity her life will be taken. The only place a woman can be is in the home. In some mens eyes woman are only good for making children. Women shouldnt learn to read or write, it will only cause trouble.


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Assignment 1

~What are some of the major restrictions on women?
Women were only useful in the home and bearing children.

~What were some of the major beliefs about women that led to these restrictions?
The woman's place is either at home or the grave.

~Consider how beliefs such as these might have influenced womens lives. In which spheres of life might they have been limited? In which honored?
Women were constantly told that they were nothing so they were brainwashed to believe that all they were good for was bearing children and domestic duties, and that influenced their lives.

~Do any of these old attitudes and restrictions regarding women remain? Have you heard something similar regarding how one should behave? (It can be either advice you agreed with, or advice you did not). Is the advice different depending on if it is given to a boy or a girl? If so, which ones? Why do you think this is so?
Some attitudes still remain till this day. Such as different advice is given to boys and girls. For example, if a brother and sister are the same age, usually the boy can date but not the daughter because she is a girl.

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3 options below...Assignment #1: Traditional Beliefs?Beliefs in fundamental differences in character and natural abilities between the sexes occurred throughout time in many cultures. The subordination of women was felt to be a natural state. When challenged, the position was often strongly defended. Read this sampling of laws, advice and beliefs from diverse eras and parts of the world. Most of these quotes illuminate the harshest attitudes about women, which might not have applied to women in every class, and which might simply have been ignored. They nonetheless help explain the limited contributions of women in some areas, and the types of attitudes women have had to overcome.

After reading ask, select five (or more) and ask: What are some of the major restrictions on women?Women were not able to perform the same jobs as men and they are not allowed to show any skin.

What were some of the major beliefs about women that led to these restrictions?People believed they were weaker than all the men and they wouldn't do as much as a good job as men. People also believed they weren't intelligent enough.

Consider how beliefs such as these might have influenced womens lives. In which spheres of life might they have been limited? In which honored?They were limited in the outside world but they were honored throughout the household. Women were only to be a wife and a mother not a professor or a doctor or a firefighter or a land owner.

Do any of these old attitudes and restrictions regarding women remain?Yes some of these attitudes exist throughout the world today. Just because it is rare in New England, it is still present in the states of the U.S. not just the world. 

Have you heard something similar regarding how one should behave? (It can be either advice you agreed with, or advice you did not). My portuguese grandmother is always telling me what to do and what not to do and how I should act.

Is the advice different depending on if it is given to a boy or a girl? If so, which ones? Why do you think this is so? Yes because she doesn't say anything to my brother if he does the same things.

She is always telling me to keep my room clean because it is not ladylike but it's okay for my brother's room to be the same way. It's the same thing when I burp too =] She tells me things like that because that was how she was raised.


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Assignment 1

1.What are some of the major restrictions on women?
Women were only good for taking care of the house, cleaning, and having children, and taking care of them.

2.What were some of the major beliefs about women that led to these restrictions?
Some of the major beliefs about women is they should be alive taking care of the house and children or dead.

3.Consider how beliefs such as these might have influenced womens lives. In which spheres of life might they have been limited? In which honored?
Women were constantly told that they were nothing so they were brainwashed to believe that all they were good for was bearing children and domestic duties, and that influenced their lives.

4.Do any of these old attitudes and restrictions regarding women remain? Have you heard something similar regarding how one should behave? (It can be either advice you agreed with, or advice you did not). Is the advice different depending on if it is given to a boy or a girl? If so, which ones? Why do you think this is so?
I think that in some parts of the country it does and in certain religions. Yes there has been advice reguarding both a girl and a boy that i do not agree on and i do agree on.

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What are some of the major restrictions on women?Some major restrictions for women are that they are look at as unequal to men. the were not allowed to do certain jobs, not allowed to vote and were only considered valuable when bearing childrenWhat were some of the major beliefs about women that led to these restrictions?Some of the major beliefs about women is they were only good for taking care of the house, cleaning, and having children, and taking care of them. Women were thought to be in the house cooking and cleaning or in a gravedeadConsider how beliefs such as these might have influenced womens lives. In which spheres of life might they have been limited? In which honored?

These oppressing beliefs brainwashed women into believing they were inadequate or a lesser sex than men. They were influenced into believing what others (men) believed.

Do any of these old attitudes and restrictions regarding women remain? Have you heard something similar regarding how one should behave? (It can be either advice you agreed with, or advice you did not). Is the advice different depending on if it is given to a boy or a girl? If so, which ones? Why do you think this is so?Some of these attitudes and beliefs do still exist among the ignorant population bent on staying in power and oppressing women.I have heard people say it is the job of a woman to stay home to cook and clean have heard ignorant statements saying they should have a hot dinner ready for the man when he gets home.

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#1 & #2

Women had many major restrictions and beliefs put upon them. They couldnt have any contact with men what so ever. they couldnt give up their chastity or virginity. that would cause them to loose their life. They didnt think women should learn anything such as reading or writting because in their eyes the only thing that did was arouse problems. they also believed that women werent good for anything other that making  children. they were infeiror to men and ther only placed they were supposed to be was at home.


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